An article on Debito.org I 100% agree with

He says in this article:

For the record, this section:

Nicolson has found the time and energy to lead a group of cyber-bullies who hounded US-born rights activist, author and Japan Times columnist Debito Arudou out of Japan.

is not true. I am in Hawaii for research purposes, working on my PhD. Activities in cyberspace are unconnected to my overseas hiatus.

Thank you very much Mr Arudou, and I do mean that most sincerely!

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  1. And Jim Di Griz has met so many pro-surfer/dj types in Japan that he’s left wondering who is left to fill the salariman ranks.

    C’mon, it’s all a hefty put-on innit?

    Anyway I though it was the gaijin male set who were all apparently DJs. (full disclosure: I am also a DJ.)

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  2. I have to say that if I had to choose between working in an office versus working in the service industry when trying to get your big break as an actor or musician or what have you. I’d rather work in the an office, the service industry is a more subtle form of trench warfare (Hyperbole I know.) Waiting tables or working as a chef are really high pressure jobs and both jobs are also dead end. At least in an office your using some of your faculties, learning some new software and hopefully will be promoted to a better job. It’s also somewhat civilized (With the exception of the cheap and tawdry gossip and backstabbing.) I’ve seen chefs that are such miserable c*nts bring waitresses to tears, hardly civilized behavior. Last but not least, you don’t have to stink like a restaurant.
    This is regarding degreaser’s comment on the Japanese working in offices to support themselves until they get their shot at being a DJ or whatever. Follow your dreams or at least give it the best you can and tell them all to go F*ck themselves when they say it can’t be done.

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  3. Sounds all very middle class to me. The interesting thing about the Japanese hardcore/hardcore punk scene is that it’s very blue collar compared to Gaijins. There’s no concept of one day realizing your dreams because they are living a working man’s punk life. Blue collar jobs mean no ‘sabissssu obathyme” or ‘nooommiiikais’. It’s easier to take days off when you are too fucked up from drinking from 6am after the night shift. There are morning izakayas that cater to this crowd as well as girly bars. Low pay and no prospects inspire some great heartfelt hardcore songs, and buzz cuts with no teeth. Really, really scummy. Fights on the street, hierarchies, rabid alcoholism, and gaijin voyeurs. The types that video all the bands to be the one to ‘discover’ them. Discover what? Toothless losers playing old school hardcore and wearing the same pants for 15 years? Fuck off gaijin tourist punk dorks.

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  4. beneaththewheel

    @iLikedolphins:

    I greatly enjoyed this post.

    Although, honestly my experience in local “punk” (not hardcore) venues is a lot less elitism than I’ve encountered back home… and these are venues in factory towns (worry not, I live on the hill).

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  5. I was passing ouut when you were paasing ouut yoouur ruuuuless, one two three four whoos punk whats the scooore?? Really, a punk rock pissing contest? You won dude, you’re hardcore.

    But seriously, the Japanese like anywhere can change their lives if they choose to. I know a woman who lived a pretty punk rock life style working here and there by day and smoking speed, doing all nighters and living with 12 people in an 8 tatami apt and did an about face. She took out a student loan and completed a program in IT. Another woman I know who also lived the life married a salary-man and now has two kids. She appears to be a pretty good mom. They change their lives because… there’s no romance in being poor! They, you and I all know that toothless guy who’s going to spend his life making 10.000 yen a day in construction for the rest of his life and that motivates people to change. Nothing wrong with trying to change your life for the better. We both know how shit life is being poor.

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  6. Surprised JDG doesn’t have on his list the pseudo-academics and self-proclaimed cultural anthropologists of which he has surely encountered many.

    I bought the single “Glad It’s All Over” bu PiL when it came out and really liked it.

    Submarines. In the harbour. Incognito.

    On the fringe, fuck yeah.

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  7. @Greg: Another one is a guy I know who was a guitarist in a Kyoto-based metal band through most of his teens and early 20s. He wanted to marry the bass player but her dad refused to give permission unless he got a real job. He got an intern job at a small ad company, learned graphic design, and now in his late 40s he’s the president. Now that the kids are grown, he and the wife get together with the others and perform again on the weekends.

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  8. “Kyoto-based metal band”

    “Dad refused to give permission”

    “Get together and perform on the weekends”

    Is this website a refuge for wannabe hasbeens from the sticks or are we here to put the fuck up Debito Arudou? I for one have had my fill of Christopher Johnson and his mouth gonnnnnarrrrheeeehahhh.

    I mean, you don’t need to come at me with your ‘Japanese rock’n’roll experience’, you really don’t. I have said I don’t prefer English teachers but you donnae want to get me started on ‘gaijins’ who ‘like’ ‘bands’.

    Heavy Metal Graphic Design President indeed.

    I’m starting to believe half of you don’t understand how unbelievably fucking hardcore I really frackin’ am.

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  9. Also Eric C just signed off of trolling David.

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  10. @iago:
    Agreed; but it was Captain Sensible

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  11. @Pessoa: Screw it, man, you just blew my cred. :mad:

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  12. @iLikedolphins: You’re hardcore? Dude, it it wasn’t for me, Yuko-chan would never have been elected leader. That’s how hardcore I am.

    And I suspect, reading between the lines, what actually happened was Eric’s wife finally got around to reading what he had been feverishly writing about Her People and took away his internet privileges.

    And don’t worry, in a couple of days, we will find out what new passive-aggressive, bigoted trinket was found in JBC’s Kinder Chocolate Surprise this Easter.

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  13. CJ’s Twitter feed suggests he might “investigate” Terry Lloyd and Mark Devlin. Lloyd had money and lawyers, including Japanese lawyers who know that truth is not a defense and all that other good Japanese defamation law stuff that can gobsmack the unwarry North Amreican. This could be good.

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  14. to: twitter @jjrs

    (in reply to your question on twitter, which I can’t do justice in 140 chars, and it belongs more here on this post)

    Rick Gundlach (Hoofin)’s beef with me and his cooperation with CJ stems from his never-ending quest to “out” all the pseudonyms who have disagreed with him (including “tepido”) on the internet. As for why they have disagreed with him, I suggest you do a web search.

    Anyway, Rick and I had a falling out (our last email exchange … in Autumn of 2011) when he sent me some email that attempted to “out” a ‘nym on Tepido.org. I had a bit of an exchange with him, and told him I would not help him.

    I think that’s why he was so eager to cooperate and work with CJ on his “essays”. Perhaps fingering me gives them “closure” in their futile effort to identify the ‘nyms of the net. And it allows them to score points with the person who they considered to have not helped them (me).

    As for Hoofin and CJ together… well, you should ask yourself: is the dog wagging the tail or the tail wagging the dog? I’ll let you be the judge.

    I’m reproducing my final emails to him, verbatim (minus the creepy stuff), so you can judge for yourself.

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    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Received: by 10.229.212.143 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
    In-Reply-To: <1317269664.99221.YahooMailNeo@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
    References: <1317269664.99221.YahooMailNeo@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com&gt:
    Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:36:12 +1000
    Message-ID: <CAK2+pukSWnsZVEnC1Q78LMVf7hqM1D+R9h80tz7bOWQE4fnM=g@mail.gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tepido’s “[censored]”, by the way
    From: Eido INOUE <[censored]>
    To: Hoofin toyou <[censored]>
    Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636426713f143cf04ae0de2f9

    –001636426713f143cf04ae0de2f9
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

    Please do not send me stuff like this.

    I don’t mind talking about people who choose to intentionally reveal their
    identity and talk their real identities or do actions in the in public, but
    “outing” people that wish to use pseudonyms or remain anonymous kind of
    creeps me out.

    I don’t care if it’s legal. That’s not the point. It’s a little sleazy and
    creepy.

    If other people do it, that’s their business. I don’t approve but if it’s
    legal there’s nothing I can do.

    But don’t pull me into it please.

    On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Hoofin toyou <[censored]> wrote:
    >[censored…]

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    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Received: by 10.229.212.143 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 23:05:30 -0700 (PDT)
    In-Reply-To: <1317275373.43703.YahooMailNeo@web39410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
    References: <1317269664.99221.YahooMailNeo@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
    <CAK2+pukSWnsZVEnC1Q78LMVf7hqM1D+R9h80tz7bOWQE4fnM=g@mail.gmail.com>
    <1317275373.43703.YahooMailNeo@web39410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
    Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:05:30 +1000
    Message-ID: <CAK2+pukMf6YZj1Uq20UjKF738tRLr_rgQ+Jzh2wwG0hXbzVUhw@mail.gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tepido’s “[censored]”, by the way
    From: Eido INOUE <[censored]>
    To: Hoofin toyou <[censored]>
    Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6475fbbeef5d04ae0e4bde

    –e89a8f6475fbbeef5d04ae0e4bde
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    I’m afraid you’re making me a little uncomfortable. To repeat, just because
    it’s legal (or technically feasible) doesn’t make it right.

    [censored] made a deliberate choice to step in front of
    television cameras and use publicity machines. The public does have a right
    to examine his/their claims if he appeals to the public and is part of an
    organization that yes, does take money (even if it is non-profit) and lobby
    politicians.

    I’m afraid our conversation has turned from discussing public cases and
    public people to furthering your personal goals.

    There’s nothing wrong with that, and I wish you luck. But be very clear that
    I can not and will not assist you and you’re on your own.

    With that, this concludes this line of conversation. I may still talk to
    you, but messages regarding revealing the identity of people or finding
    information by non-public people etc will be ignored and deleted without a
    reply.

    Regarding Tepido, I gave you his email (after asking him if it was okay). If
    he replies, he replies. But obviously I can not make him reply.

    On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Hoofin toyou <[censored]> wrote:
    >[censored…]

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  15. I think Gundlach’s original beef was with a couple of blogs that wrote about him, in particular, the Japan Blog Review. JBR outed Gundlach’s real name. Prior to that Gundlach wasn’t exactly blogging anonymously but he was nevertheless relying on anonymity by obscurity. You had to do a little work to figure out who he was, so if you (or a potential employer) googled “Rick Gundlach” or “Frederick Gundlach” you wouldn’t have pulled up his blog and all the biographical information it contained. Post JBR it was all there in Google. JBR ridiculed him by pointing out his unsuccessful pro se lawsuits and his unusual career path that made him look like an underachiever. Gundlach complained to Blogger/Google, but couldn’t get the posts removed.

    So from all of that you get a hatred of anonymous bloggers and commenters, and a hatred of Google. This aligns nicely with Christopher Johnson. Thus the mutual affection.

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  16. Questions Are Interesting

    [redacted]

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  17. iLikedolphins

    wow you Internet guys all hate each other really a lot

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  18. @Questions Are Interesting: Hi Mr Ever-Changing-Handle. First, Mr Gundlach has a rebuttal to that claim on his site in the follow-up comment, and second, as Mr Dolphins hints at, all this focus on his is getting rather tedious. :sad:

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  19. [redacted]

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  20. @havill:

    I’m reproducing my final emails to him, verbatim (minus the creepy stuff), so you can judge for yourself.

    I thought you were just removing the “creepy stuff”… you seemed to have removed it all

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  21. @OK:

    Just because an anonymous person posts it on a blog doesn’t make it true. Sounds an awful lot like an attempt to libel someone, though.

    What business is it of anyone’s what a random person’s tax/pension status is? I’ll answer my own question: it isn’t.

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  22. @Jelka Topic:

    You forgot to mention their other point they have in common: they both think they were unfairly terminated from a big corporation / career in Japan, and based on their blogs, they’ve never gotten over it.

    This is perhaps why they seem to have a complex regarding other people in Japan that manage to have jobs and be relatively successful (especially ones that work for big companies).

    Explains their obsession with firing and employment, and using the fear of retaining a job as a weapon.

    So that’s the two things that the two have in common that perhaps caused them to form their partnership:

    * an obsession/complex/jealousy regarding pseudonyms and identities
    * an obsession/complex/jealousy with those who have careers or stable jobs in Japan

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  23. Wow, just took a look at Rick’s Twitter feed. Talk about holding obsessive grudges.

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  24. In other curious news, the indirectly-referenced Asia Times article has been deleted, it seems:

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/JAP-01-150313.html

    It has also been removed from Google. Thanks Eido! :wink:

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